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#8765123 Nov 26, 2013 at 01:24 PM
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The following is a guide so you will know roughly what to expect from endgame, and what's expected of you if you are interested in joining us for the more difficult content (Titan HM and on). For anything prior to this (other primals, AK, WP, etc), all that's asked is that you review videos of how the runs are done, and if you are doing Garuda HM, that you have at least a few pieces of Darklight Gear and everything else MUST be level 49-50 gear, preferrably HQ with materia slotted. Here are some videos to help guide you through this content, please review these and understand the battles as much as you can before attempting them, it will make them much easier to understand.

Wandering Palace- Walkthrough http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlKKLpQSzZs
Speed Run http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DwoJsUx3qU

Amdapor Keep- Normal Run http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ_749tt9o8
Speed Run http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8DR7eMKJe8

Ifrit Hard Mode- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKyCAKNQtUQ

Garuda Hard Mode- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYpVUpS78KI

Titan HM Requirements


In order to be prepared for the Titan HM fight, you will need to do some pre-requisites. First and foremost, make sure you are geared properly. In order to attempt Titan HM, you're going to want at LEAST 75% of your Darklight gear and at LEAST Ifrit's weapon. Yes, it is possible to do it with less gear, but it is not optimal, and literally every little bit of HP and damage you can squeak out of your gear is essential for it.

Second, you will need to know the fight incredibly well. You need to know where to stand at all times, you need to know when and where to move, how to avoid bombs, etc. You need to know how the heart phase works, and you need to know the rotation of abilities titan uses. If you are new to Titan HM, the best thing I can tell you is to watch videos and read strategies on it until you think your head is going to explode. Then, when it's ingrained in your head, try a few runs in a DF or shout party just to get a feel for it. Who knows, you could get lucky there. If not, then you are ready to run it with the FC.

For FC runs, please bring appropriate food, be prepared to attempt at least 10 times, and be prepared to set aside at least an hour to solidly attempt it. Also be prepared to be asked to do certain things, or to adjust your playstyle in order to be more efficient or avoid death.

Titan Videos to watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz4Vp8VhJfA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qquhwdXTIsY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3S8w0yT6no&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DI3S8w0yT6no&app=desktop


Titan Strategy Guide:
Strategy Guide


Ok, so you beat Titan HM and obtained your relic, now you're ready for Binding Coil!

Binding Coil of Bahamut
The requirements for Binding Coil are steeper than Titan HM. First off, you absolutely must have your relic, and it is strongly encouraged to have your relic+1. Along with that, you must have a full darklight gear set and at least 1-2 pieces of level 90 gear (myth tome stuff). Preferrably a ring to go opposite your DL ring, and then one other piece, whatever offers the biggest stat boost for your job.

You will also need to sign up for ventrilo and log in to our vent server.

Host: vent47.light-speed.com
Port: 15019
Password: ZAM_Kraken

Once you've met these requirements, you will need to watch Binding Coil videos several times. Watch them until you understand the boss mechanics, the trash mechanics, and anything else the run requires. For now, since we are starting out, just focus on Coil 1. Here is a good video to watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AahAJGPri4

I will be posting a thread for sign-ups. We will not be starting this until mid-December, so it will give everyone some time to gear up.

Please post in this thread what your schedule will be like Sunday-Thursday nights. Ideally I'd like to start runs around 8pm if at all possible once we get going.


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#8765347 Nov 26, 2013 at 02:10 PM
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Thank you Bart!
Time to get my learn ON!
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#8765359 Nov 26, 2013 at 02:12 PM
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Another nice one...
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#8765500 Nov 26, 2013 at 02:48 PM · Edited over 5 years ago
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Everyone who intends on applying for the day or night shift BC static NEEEEEEEEDS to not only watch turn ! guide but needs to watch it quite a few times until its memorized. like i have said before attitudes will change for BC from being fun fc group stuff to serious time to get to business more leet attitutdes. if u need help with ur job or want adivce to further flesh and perfect ur jobs and classes please ask other ppl who play ur specified jobs.



I know i just repeated what Bart said but anyone who played ffxi and did dynamis or sky realizes this is VERY important and were these games get VERY serious and playfullness drops out the door for group synastry. im only upset theres an 8 ppl max and not like a 24 full alliance one till CT. wich means in the end some ppl are gonna be told no wich upsets me. we need more ppl invited to FC to get multiple full groups going so we dont have ANYOne left out. like obama said.... :This is a no child left behind scenario!"



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#8907653 Jan 02, 2014 at 09:40 AM · Edited over 5 years ago
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Just checking too see if Tesee and I are geared enough for coil.
Tes has Garuda weapon. She has CT body and legs I believe level 80. Level 90 feet and some level 90 jewelery. Rest is darklight.
I have the Ifrit weapon.. Plus a few ct pieces and level 90 pieces the rest is darklight.
We will probably have a peace or two more of level 90 by Friday. I got like 900 myth tomes.

We dont have relic but we are pretty much higher than the full darklight requirements...
We are getting there on the relic just need to beat titan. We beet hydra, ifrit and garuda yesterday.

I feel we are boarder line.
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#8907938 Jan 02, 2014 at 11:11 AM
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Don't you have to clear all 3 HM primals to get into BC?
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#8907963 Jan 02, 2014 at 11:18 AM
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Yes, in order to enter BC you have to have beaten all the primals and for the most part relic weapon and/or zenith are required (depending on job). The relic and zenith weapons really are the biggest upgrades at this time in terms of damage dealt per attack and HP healed per spell.

To reiterate - you cannot enter BC until you have cleared all the HM primals, at which point you should have the relic anyways.
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#8907966 Jan 02, 2014 at 11:19 AM · Edited over 5 years ago
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You want relic at least, if not +1.
Maybe some classes can get by depending on how overgeared others are, but we tried with a group of relic +1 lvl70+ people and couldn't finish off the first boss before the healers could no longer keep up.

I know you hear people overstate requirements in games, mostly to alleviate the pressure on everyone, but unless there are a couple classes exempt, BC is pretty much relic and preferably relic +1 to even start turn 1.

Titan should be relatively easy for you, I'd say.
Crystal Tower is not an accurate measure to extrapolate from if considering WP/AK -> new dungeons -> CT -> BC because it's actually very easy with the challenge being one or more of 3 groups of people not messing up.

Relic should come first, +1 for most classes I think.
edit: it's a pretty much academic discussion, because as they said above, you can't even get in before Titan's dead.
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#8907989 Jan 02, 2014 at 11:27 AM · Edited over 5 years ago
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#8907938 Urzol Thrush wrote:

Don't you have to clear all 3 HM primals to get into BC?



Did not know that ok well that answers it..

That kind of stinks though on a relic because not everyone is going to have one and relic does not make a good player.
Also some of it can be made up by other gear.

The thing with that too is it dont matter how good you are, you can fail anyone of the primals based on the group.. They need a better way for relic that makes it based on skill of the individual not a group...

I have seen people walking around with relics that dont even have a full darklight set, so either they did it because they are really good or they paid.

So basically someone with a relic and darklight gear is going to be better than someone with a primal weapon and level 80 or 90 gear?
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#8908106 Jan 02, 2014 at 12:03 PM · Edited over 5 years ago
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SE made sure skill alone can't accomplish certain things.
With pretty much every role in the game, skill can only go so far in determining how much damage you do, take or heal through.
To give the example, we almost beat the first boss on our best attempt with +1 and lvl70+ setup, darklight being the lowest aspect of everyone's gear and things that occurred were:

Tank missed swings. Lower accuracy than instance demands. Bartel actually did a damned good job and this was only one quick wipe, but it's worth mentioning as an example.

Single target healing couldn't keep up. Not many tricks there, and we were holding buffs and debuffs for when it got hard, but no good.

Ranged DPS probably missing or low-ending hits, good ol' accuracy. Poor mnk getting killed, because well, it's kinda tough.
Everyone's output pretty much affects one another's.

As far as I could tell nobody did anything wrong and it's hard to find room for improvement when your hits are weaker than they need to be or not even landing due to boss vs player stats.
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#8908111 Jan 02, 2014 at 12:05 PM
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I know what you are saying Nash, there are definitely people who were carried through to their relic and having a relic does not necessarily mean they are a good player or skilled enough to try out BC but it definitely helps.

The way stat calculations for damage and healing abilities work in this game the biggest increase is found on the damage rating of your weapon and obviously the weapons with the higher damage ratings are relic/zenith/allagan(?). Basically having a weapon with a higher damage rating does more for your character overall than upgrading say INT or STR. Also keep in mind that for BC the minimum accuracy you want to aim for is 435 (not sure about healers, but for DPS/Tanks 435 is the minimum so your attacks don't miss).
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#8908292 Jan 02, 2014 at 12:57 PM · Edited over 5 years ago
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#8908106 Friggin Joe wrote:

SE made sure skill alone can't accomplish certain things.
With pretty much every role in the game, skill can only go so far in determining how much damage you do, take or heal through.
To give the example, we almost beat the first boss on our best attempt with +1 and lvl70+ setup, darklight being the lowest aspect of everyone's gear and things that occurred were:

Tank missed swings. Lower accuracy than instance demands. Bartel actually did a damned good job and this was only one quick wipe, but it's worth mentioning as an example.

Single target healing couldn't keep up. Not many tricks there, and we were holding buffs and debuffs for when it got hard, but no good.

Ranged DPS probably missing or low-ending hits, good ol' accuracy. Poor mnk getting killed, because well, it's kinda tough.
Everyone's output pretty much affects one another's.

As far as I could tell nobody did anything wrong and it's hard to find room for improvement when your hits are weaker than they need to be or not even landing due to boss vs player stats.



#8908111 Canadensis wrote:

I know what you are saying Nash, there are definitely people who were carried through to their relic and having a relic does not necessarily mean they are a good player or skilled enough to try out BC but it definitely helps.

The way stat calculations for damage and healing abilities work in this game the biggest increase is found on the damage rating of your weapon and obviously the weapons with the higher damage ratings are relic/zenith/allagan(?). Basically having a weapon with a higher damage rating does more for your character overall than upgrading say INT or STR. Also keep in mind that for BC the minimum accuracy you want to aim for is 435 (not sure about healers, but for DPS/Tanks 435 is the minimum so your attacks don't miss).



I completely understand what both of you are saying I have been playing FFXI forever so I understand stats... In FFXI there was absolutely nothing I could not do and I did not have a relic. Whm weapon useless anyway and same with empyrean weapon.

But we are not talking base gear or weapons we are talking primal weapons and level 80 & 90 gear.. There should not be that much of a difference because of one single item. So you make content that is only for relic..

This game was said everything would accessible to all and was supposed to more for the casual player.

Joe you know how hard we have been working.. Hell you melded our equipment 2 days ago so you know how far we have come. You have been helping us out so much.
Yesterday we did Hydra, ifrit and Garuda. Day before we did chimera, ak, Along with the ct runs for gear.
By the time I get there I am going to be burnt out.

I keep feeling for every inch we move forward we move mile behind. In FFXi I never felt like something was not doable by a well equipped party with skill. There was not all the level requirements. I also always felt everything was attainable.
I keep hearing how disgusted people are with titan and I dont have the money to pay for it.

by the way Tesee accuracy is 481

Basically a relic is one piece of gear and one piece should not keep you from being able to do content. It should make it easier and better but not keep you from doing something. All content should be playable with the highest crafted equipment. Part of the reason the economy is screwed up. best equipment is drops or quested.



What I dont get is Garuda's Spine bow actually has more DPS then a relic +1? So how is it that much better? Dps is what is important. I dont think the artmis bow is that much better looking at stats..

For WHM it is all about mnd which can be made up with better gear.


All this doesn't matter anyway we still have to beat titan.

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#8908411 Jan 02, 2014 at 01:32 PM · Edited over 5 years ago
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The difference btwn this game and XI is that relic is pretty easily obtainable in comparison. Yes you guys could have i80 and i90 gear but again, weapon damage is king in this game. The Garuda bow may have more DPS listed on its stats, but the weapon damage scales so huge with every single ability that it is really a huge jump in terms of damage dealt and HP healed. Test it yourself, try and determine what your avg cure II spell heals for. Check it again once you get your relic weapon and you will see the the jump is bigger than changing say a piece of i70 gear to i90. I'm not saying this is the way it should be, just the way it is.

You guys are making great progress. Some of us just happened to have made it to 50 earlier and have been working on this content for a long time. It didn't come easy to us either. I would say it is actually easier to get the content completed now that ppl have the option of i80 gear, king mog weapons, assistance from friends with relic/zenith etc. These things take time.

As for all content being accessible - I agree only to a point. If all content could be completed by anyone regardless of gear then what is the point in getting better gear? You said a well equipped party - in FFXI that would not include a relic, but in FFXIV if your party does not have relics I would argue it is a good start but maybe not "well equipped". Also, having the relic/zenith does not all of a sudden make your party "leet" as you mentioned above. BC is currently the hardest content. In my humble opinion the hardest content should take the best gear and most skill to complete. Some of the best groups still have a hard time with BC - T5 regardless of full i90 gear, zenith weapons and a static tackling it every week.

You guys are really very close to obtaining relic and could probably have it in a few days or a week at most if you really go for it. If you can't get a full FC group together, use PF or join shout groups. Don't let the man(SE) get you down!

I keep editing this with more to say lol - Clearing Titan as a gateway to opening BC is kind of like the FFXI equivalent of completing CoP in order to access Limbus.
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#8908547 Jan 02, 2014 at 02:11 PM · Edited over 5 years ago
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Well I do think with enough myth tome gear and maybe now a mix of that and CT giveaways(cuz really, they are lol) some classes, maybe most can get away without relic. That's being otherwise overgeared aside from mainhand and of course not doable unless you wanna play around and see after you already beat Titan and unlocked CT.

As for Garuda having more DPS than Relic bow that doesn't make much sense given the iLvls of the two, but damage more than base and autodelay and SE are not forthcoming about certain internals. I know bards typically don't opt for their +1(bleh, Zenith) on the relic right away so there may be something there as long as the accuracy to hit and dex are up to the task.

I've been disappointed that I can't work my way to catch up, since I am really not a very long time endgamer at all and that 300 myth cap meant there simply was no way to beat the clock. They really alleviated a lot of it with a Crystal Tower drop per week and raising the tome cap.

Nonetheless an MMORPG has to keep people playing longer. SE isn't very good at design, IMO.
They make nice worlds, and the game's fun, but they are severely lacking in terms of foresight and making something worth playing for the long haul without inserting brick walls to compensate.

This is a much better time to be frustrated with the game than, say, a month ago before CT and a raise myth cap existed, at least.
I got a tank and healer to ilvl70 in no time for there simply being nothing better to do.
The plus side is that bottleneck brought a lot of newer and older players closer.
Aside from a few people who've been further, as a FC we're pretty much at turn 1 with the holidays holding things back, so anyone waiting on Titan is more or less a Titan away from being there too.
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#8908607 Jan 02, 2014 at 02:28 PM · Edited over 5 years ago
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#8908547 Friggin Joe wrote:

Well I do think with enough myth tome gear and maybe now a mix of that and CT giveaways(cuz really, they are lol) some classes, maybe most can get away without relic. That's being otherwise overgeared aside from mainhand and of course not doable unless you wanna play around and see after you already beat Titan and unlocked CT.

As for Garuda having more DPS than Relic bow that doesn't make much sense given the iLvls of the two, but damage more than base and autodelay and SE are not forthcoming about certain internals. I know bards typically don't opt for their +1(bleh, Zenith) on the relic right away so there may be something there as long as the accuracy to hit and dex are up to the task.

I've been disappointed that I can't work my way to catch up, since I am really not a very long time endgamer at all and that 300 myth cap meant there simply was no way to beat the clock. They really alleviated a lot of it with a Crystal Tower drop per week and raising the tome cap.

Nonetheless an MMORPG has to keep people playing longer. SE isn't very good at design, IMO.
They make nice worlds, and the game's fun, but they are severely lacking in terms of foresight and making something worth playing for the long haul without inserting brick walls to compensate.

This is a much better time to be frustrated with the game than, say, a month ago before CT and a raise myth cap existed, at least.
I got a tank and healer to ilvl70 in no time for there simply being nothing better to do.
The plus side is that bottleneck brought a lot of newer and older players closer.
Aside from a few people who've been further, as a FC we're pretty much at turn 1 with the holidays holding things back, so anyone waiting on Titan is more or less a Titan away from being there too.



I guess what bothers me too with titan is I have done Garuda and titan and seen DPS's dead the whole time and they get carried through.. As a whm I can not mess up or the whole party dies most of the time. Titan feels like a dead end to me and know matter how good I am or get it is going to take luck that there is a whole party geared and skilled enough to make it and without lag or its not 5 new people doing it for the first time.. Something should not be based on that. Almost everyone I hear that passed it said they got lucky on their party or they paid. Relic is not based on what I do it is on what other people do...
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#8908612 Jan 02, 2014 at 02:30 PM · Edited over 5 years ago
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Also, sounds like Tesee has a great accuracy score! Now would be the time to try mix-matching gear to squeeze out more crit hit rate or determination while staying above that magic 435 accuracy. This can be done through different i90 gears depending on job.

For instance on SMN I really want the AF2 i90 body just cause it looks badass (DL cowl is gross!). But in order to keep my accuracy above 435 I am going to have to replace my Legs first which give a large accuracy boost, so that when I finally wear the body (which gives no accuracy at all) I will still be above 435 but will have more crit+ and det than I do in my current set which has about 456 accuracy.

Basically anything over and above 435 accuracy is superfluous and not really adding anything, especially on content lower than BC.
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#8908627 Jan 02, 2014 at 02:34 PM
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Titan breaks spirits. Not him, but getting even 6 people to get through it.
Hopefully with the holidays passing us, and maybe some residual holidayness going to this weekend, we'll have the activity to get FC Titan runs beaten regularly. We've got the players for it. It should be in the bag by this point.
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#8908628 Jan 02, 2014 at 02:34 PM · Edited over 5 years ago
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#8908411 Canadensis wrote:



As for all content being accessible - I agree only to a point. If all content could be completed by anyone regardless of gear then what is the point in getting better gear? You said a well equipped party - in FFXI that would not include a relic, but in FFXIV if your party does not have relics I would argue it is a good start but maybe not "well equipped". Also, having the relic/zenith does not all of a sudden make your party "leet" as you mentioned above. BC is currently the hardest content. In my humble opinion the hardest content should take the best gear and most skill to complete. Some of the best groups still have a hard time with BC - T5 regardless of full i90 gear, zenith weapons and a static tackling it every week.


Any end game gear should be able to get you through end game, I mean that's what it is for. Better end game gear should make you better or easier.

I have never seen a game where you use gear for a week and then no more and in allot of cases days. In FFXI you paid good money for gear because you know it made a difference for a while. Part of the reason no one spends money on gear in FFXIV...


#8908411 Canadensis wrote:

Don't let the man(SE) get you down!



Yea you know I left FFXI because this game was supposed to be more casual which means less hours and less grind.. No way it is that way at end game.. I find myself doing even more... 0 -50 it was easy, too easy.
But end game is no different than FFXI but I find it more frustrating. Also seems to be far less tolerant people in this game..
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#8908640 Jan 02, 2014 at 02:38 PM · Edited over 5 years ago
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#8908612 Canadensis wrote:

Also, sounds like Tesee has a great accuracy score! Now would be the time to try mix-matching gear to squeeze out more crit hit rate or determination while staying above that magic 435 accuracy. This can be done through different i90 gears depending on job.

For instance on SMN I really want the AF2 i90 body just cause it looks badass (DL cowl is gross!). But in order to keep my accuracy above 435 I am going to have to replace my Legs first which give a large accuracy boost, so that when I finally wear the body (which gives no accuracy at all) I will still be above 435 but will have more crit+ and det than I do in my current set which has about 456 accuracy.

Basically anything over and above 435 accuracy is superfluous and not really adding anything, especially on content lower than BC.



Good to know on the accuracy..
Any sites with stats info like that?

Nice to know what the caps are on certain stats...
I know that allot is capped. I know in FFXI mnd was capped so once capped you went for healing potency.
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#8908688 Jan 02, 2014 at 02:50 PM
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#8908640 Sir Nashred wrote:

#8908612 Canadensis wrote:

Also, sounds like Tesee has a great accuracy score! Now would be the time to try mix-matching gear to squeeze out more crit hit rate or determination while staying above that magic 435 accuracy. This can be done through different i90 gears depending on job.

For instance on SMN I really want the AF2 i90 body just cause it looks badass (DL cowl is gross!). But in order to keep my accuracy above 435 I am going to have to replace my Legs first which give a large accuracy boost, so that when I finally wear the body (which gives no accuracy at all) I will still be above 435 but will have more crit+ and det than I do in my current set which has about 456 accuracy.

Basically anything over and above 435 accuracy is superfluous and not really adding anything, especially on content lower than BC.



Good to know on the accuracy..
Any sites with stats info like that?

Nice to know what the caps are on certain stats...
I know that allot is capped. I know in FFXI mnd was capped so once capped you went for healing potency.


So far the only stat that I know of that can cap is accuracy but don't quote me on that :P
I don't know of any specific sites, but I learned about the accuracy cap from a few of Hitome's posts over on the ZAM forums. That guy really knows his stuff.
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